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Exclusive Interview with Olivier Megaton, Director of Taken 3 Blockbuster
“影评只是让你的自尊心好过点,我才不在乎。” —— 独家专访《飓风营救3》导演利维尔·米加顿


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Before becoming one of the most bankable directors in the world, Olivier Megaton was a graffiti artist in a poor Parisian suburb. His name is a pseudonym he chose after discovering he was born on the same day, 20 years later, that an atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. That bomb was only 16 kilotons (o.016 megatons), but the director’s impact on world cinema has been explosive indeed. Since 2011, Megaton has now directed six feature films, including Transporter 3, Columbiana, and Liam Neeson vehicle Taken 2. Megaton was in Beijing to promote Taken 3 when we spoke to him.

SHP+: How is promotion for Taken 3 going?

Megaton : The movie will be released tonight. I was in interviews the whole day yesterday and the day before. Today I will go to theaters to see how it’s going. It’s very interesting to go on the first day and see what’s happening at average screenings. China is the film’s last opening in the world. We released the movie everywhere else, beginning in the US, in January. We released the movie in 80 different countries, and on the first of January it was already in Hong Kong and Korea. They think they’re going to make USD 40 or 50 million here, and then we’ll be close to what we did with the previous one. It’s about 350 million box worldwide. It’s big, yeah, very big.

SHP+ : By opening this late, aren’t you worried that you’ll lose ticket sales to people watching the film online?

Megaton : I’ve been telling Europe that for two years and nobody was listening. They were saying we don’t know anything about the China market and so on. I told them I’m one hundred percent sure piracy is going to kill the film little by little because they can have the movie on the second of January just after the first screening because the first screens will be in Hong Kong. The internal networks are not controllable — you can’t do anything; they don’t have the resources to stop any leak. You’re going to be fucked up.

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SHP+ : Showing in more than 80 film markets worldwide, how do your movies play differently in different places?

Megaton : When you’re in England they like the fact that there’s a cop in the story and he’s endangering the main hero. They like very much the car chases and so on. When you’re in the US they like very much the emotional sequences. They found it was more mature than the prequel. In Europe and in France they like the fact that it’s different from the two previous films. Everybody’s finding something different. It’s a family topic. Before this series movies were about superheroes, super agents, but there’s no other movie like this that’s just talking about a family. He’s just a father, even if he has some skills, who wants to save his family.

Luc Besson has had serious issues with the MPA in his movies, especially in The Professional. It was the story of this guy, 45 years old, who fell in love with a girl of 12 years old. He had a lot of problems, had to recut the movie, they found it was insane. Every movie he’s producing now is under a big lens for them. They’re very tough with us. I understood this with Columbiana and Taken 3 that we have this special service from them. In Taken they were thinking because the girl was a minor, a teen, and she was to become a whore, it was a very bad for them. They couldn’t buy this. They were fuckers on this. It was a problem for a whole year. They recut the movie 11 times. Finally they had the visa and the movie was released. Everybody has to thank the MPA because I don’t think the movie would have done those numbers a year earlier.

Taken 3 is my fourth major release in the US so now they understand that we are aware of this market and taking care of blah blah blah. I just had one pass from the MPA and that was it.

Afterwards when I made Taken 2 we were trying to figure out why it was this huge success in the US. The story of Brian Mills made them feel they were close to this family. This is the thing we have in common — everyone in the world has a family. It’s a bit like Breaking Bad. When you watch the show, the guy is a chemistry teacher and he becomes the main dealer all over the US just to save his family. You can buy whatever if it’s to save your family.


SHP+ : Does creating films for a global market change the way you make the films?

Megaton :  Unconsciously I’m doing this, but I don’t think about it when I’m doing the movie. When you read the first script, it had “Fuck” everywhere but we are not making the kind of movie where you need to have a fuck every page. I just removed too many things that would make trouble for me later. Another example, there’s torture at the beginning of Taken 3, a corkscrew, I said it’s not possible. They’re always very strict on torture. We found instead that an ex CIA agent could use waterboarding. After filming we found that the CIA had used waterboarding a lot in Guantanamo, so that caused problems anyway.

SHP+ : Taken 3 had a 48 million US budget. Could you ask for more? would it allow you do anything differently?

Megaton : In the producer’s mind when you make a lot of money, the movie after they want to make more money. So their first reflex is to make a cheaper movie that makes more money. They say ok we made this movie last time for 35 million so make the same for 30 million or 20 million. It’s the first thing they think. On Taken 2 we were for a long time the

record for box office in Europe, 376 million bucks profit worldwide. Lucy arrived at the end of the year last year and beat me. They want better but cheaper — it’s something very natural with producers and studios. The actors are asking for more money, all the agents are asking for more money, but you have less money to make a movie — it’s insane.

When I’m doing a movie I need to be sure of the results of the movie. The project may be good, I may like the script and the actors, but if the money’s not there, I prefer not to go.

We are French, working with a French crew so we’re fewer people, working faster. We have special skills to make that kind of movie. They push us because they know we can make movies for three or four times less money than in the US. That’s their way of thinking about the French touch.

SHP+ : Why do you think there’s such a chasm between critical success and commercial success in cinema today?

Megaton : I think it’s two different things. If you want to make money with a movie you just have to say goodbye to the critics. People in the middle of the US or France or Germany or China, they don’t care about critics and they are my audience. If I wanted to have good critiques I’d make something different. You can’t do it and have good reviews in a blockbuster like this. It’s impossible. It does not exist. And what for? For my ego? I’m pretty lucky. I’m from the Parisian suburbs. I was a graffiti artist, and I got here little by little. All my life I had to struggle and to fight against those people because I’m not from their world. I couldn’t speak like them when I was young. I couldn’t think like them and they were jealous because I was painting and making movies and succeeding little by little. I really don’t care. I’m 49 today and my entire life was like this. Believe me that it was always like this so it wasn’t an obstacle for anything. I just had faith in making movies and believed in my creation and that’s it. They don’t make movies, I make movies, so I know what my reality is and they don’t know what it is. I’m not playing in the same play ground.

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Olivier Megaton was a graffiti artist in a poor Parisian suburb.

SHP+ : JR is from the Parisian suburbs too. He’s popular, but not appreciated by a lot of art critics.

Megaton : I’m not pretentious, I’m not saying that I’m Kubrick, but when you read his critics they were always, always, always killing him. When you read the critics on 2001 and on Clockwork Orange it was awful, just personal attacks. Even a genius of the movie industry was just a scum bag in the trash. Critics just give some good things for your ego, that’s it. When you have to fight and struggle you don’t care because everything you have done is behind you and supports you and built what you are.

When you meet them they apologize about what they write, it’s the worst thing. I never apologize about anything. I make mistakes, I make mistakes. They say oh, well, you know, I thought about it later and I wasn’t hating the movie – I was in a bad mood. I say fuck you. Most of those people are frustrated about not doing my job. They went to movie schools that cost a lot of money to their parents or them and they’re just critics. I really don’t care, I really don’t care.

I love my job, I’m very lucky. All my friends from the suburb where I come from are dead or in prison, so I know where I come from and tell myself, you’re fucking lucky so you don’t care, you don’t care, I really don’t care.

SHP+: You’ve shot commercials in China before. What’s that like?

Megaton : I like it very much. I shot a car commercial with Nick Cage, and something for BNP, a French bank commercial. I’m working all over the world and I take my French crew with me because they’re very quick and efficient and when I arrived in China I worked with this Chinese crew and I found what I had with my French crew — very passionate, they wanted to learn, and they were working very fast. They are very close to their culture, even in the midst of a technology revolution. In France, even if we speak about our culture, and we’re proud about our history, they are the same. It’s something we have in common, French people and Chinese people.



在成为票房灵药的大导演之前,奥利维尔·米加顿是一名生活在巴黎贫穷郊区的涂鸦艺术家。他现在的名字是他自己改的,因为他发现他的生日与20年广岛原子弹爆炸的正好是同一天。这个炸弹有16万吨(0.016兆吨),米加顿现在在世界影坛上的影响已经无法用数字来衡量。 从2011年首次执导以来,他已经执导过的六部电影,而且都有很不俗的票房,其中包括《飓风营救2》、《致命黑兰》(Columbiana)、《玩命快递3》(Transporter 3)。不久前,米加顿为宣传新片《飓风营救3》,飓风地访问了北京,SHP+有幸在电影上映前与导演聊了一下他的新作。

>>> 《飓风营救3》的宣传进行得如何了?

>>> 在中国上映的时间这么晚,你不担心很多人已经在网上看了,影响了票房的收入?

>>> 影片在全球80多个国家上映,片子怎么在不同国家找到不同的卖点?



在我们拍《飓风营救2》时,我们分析过它这部电影在美国成功的原因。我们发现主角布莱恩·米尔斯的家庭故事获得了美国人的认同感。有点像《致命毒师》(Breaking Bad),原本是个化学老师的男主角,为了拯救家庭才被被迫成为制毒的大毒枭。反正只要你是为了家人,你干啥都行。

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>>> 如果电影是为全球市场打造的,这样会改变你拍摄这部电影的方式吗?
虽然我自己不认为我在做电影时不会做什么改变,但潜意识我可能已经这样做了。如果你读过第一版的脚本,那里每一页都有字,但其实我们不需要拍一部“操这操那”的电影。我后来删了太多这种可能会我添麻烦的东西。再比如,电影里原来有用螺丝刀折磨人的场景,我一听这种情节就知道没戏。他们(MPA) 对酷刑这事很严格。我们后来又发现前中央情报局特工是允许用水刑的。拍完后,我们发现中情局在关塔那摩用过很多次的水刑,但无论如何,这些都会添麻烦。

>>> 《飓风营救3》的预算是4800万美元,你可以拿到更多的预算吗?如果有更多的预算,电影会拍得不一样吗?



>>> 为什么获得商业上成功的电影与获得评论成功的电影有这么大的区别?

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>>> JR(法国著名的街头艺术家)也是从巴黎的郊区来的。他很受欢迎,但同样没受到许多艺术评论家的赞赏。
我不会造作地把我自己比喻为库布里克(Stanley Kubrick),但是当你看到评论的时候,那些影评人永远,永远都是在批评他。你看一下他们当时对《2001太空漫游》和《发条橙子》的影评,实是太可怕了,简直是人身攻击。即使这样的电影天才(在影评人眼里)只是一个败类和垃圾。评论只是让自尊心好过一点。但当你要打拼与奋斗,你就不会在乎别人怎么,因为你所做的一切会成为动力并促成今天的你。



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奥利维尔·米加顿在上海拍广告。图片他与摄影师李晓雨在工作中。Olivier Megaton on the set of a commercial shoot with DOP Rain Li in Shanghai.

>>> 你以前在中国拍摄过广告,可以谈谈你的感受吗?
我非常喜欢在中国拍摄的经历。我与尼克凯奇 (Nicolas Cage)拍过汽车广告,还拍了一个法国银行BNP的广告。我到世界许多工作都会带上我的法国团队,因为他们做事很有效率。当我来到中国时,我在中国工作人员身上看到了我法国工作人员的特质——富有激情。中国人肯学习,效率很高。即使在谈技术的时候。中国人都注重文化,这一点跟法国人很像。当法国人谈到文化和历史的时候都特别自豪,这是中国人与法国人很相像的地方。

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